Comments on: Ellerbe’s Statement To Arum & Greenburg: “Liar, Liar, Pants On Fire” http://pound4pound.com/BillysBoxingBlog/2010/07/20/ellerbes-statement-to-arum-greenburg-liar-liar-pants-on-fire/ Tue, 07 Feb 2012 00:18:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: jeff taylor http://pound4pound.com/BillysBoxingBlog/2010/07/20/ellerbes-statement-to-arum-greenburg-liar-liar-pants-on-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-2477 jeff taylor Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:33:26 +0000 http://pound4pound.com/BillysBoxingBlog/?p=308#comment-2477 1 thing I can say is I lost all respect I had for pac man. First he makes de la hoya fight at a drained 147 witch he would not do against floyd. Then all of a sudden he could make 147 so he makes cotto drain to 145.Now he is going to fight margarito at 150 and there actucally going to fight for the 154 open belt. how is that possible. Margarito has fought 1 bum in the past 2 years and pac has never fought at this weight (he still is not because of the catch weight) but this for a belt. And floyd gets shit for being 2 pounds over against marquez. 1 thing I can say is I lost all respect I had for pac man. First he makes de la hoya fight at a drained 147 witch he would not do against floyd. Then all of a sudden he could make 147 so he makes cotto drain to 145.Now he is going to fight margarito at 150 and there actucally going to fight for the 154 open belt. how is that possible. Margarito has fought 1 bum in the past 2 years and pac has never fought at this weight (he still is not because of the catch weight) but this for a belt. And floyd gets shit for being 2 pounds over against marquez.

]]> By: Luis M. Cadiz Sr. http://pound4pound.com/BillysBoxingBlog/2010/07/20/ellerbes-statement-to-arum-greenburg-liar-liar-pants-on-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-2107 Luis M. Cadiz Sr. Sat, 24 Jul 2010 16:23:54 +0000 http://pound4pound.com/BillysBoxingBlog/?p=308#comment-2107 Malibongwe, in order for me to educate you on the sweet science, this reply section doesn't offer me enough space. At least Jeff accepts certain point of view and takes into consideration certain possibilities. You are blind and blind people, when taken away from their environment, need a cane because if they don't have one, they run into danger. Tread lightly Malibongwe, because you may run into land mine of boxing ignorance and blow up!!! Speak... I mean reply to you later. God Bless Luis M. Cadiz ... Not Jeff Malibongwe, in order for me to educate you on the sweet science, this reply section doesn’t offer me enough space. At least Jeff accepts certain point of view and takes into consideration certain possibilities. You are blind and blind people, when taken away from their environment, need a cane because if they don’t have one, they run into danger. Tread lightly Malibongwe, because you may run into land mine of boxing ignorance and blow up!!! Speak… I mean reply to you later.
God Bless
Luis M. Cadiz … Not Jeff

]]> By: Luis M. Cadiz Sr. http://pound4pound.com/BillysBoxingBlog/2010/07/20/ellerbes-statement-to-arum-greenburg-liar-liar-pants-on-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-2105 Luis M. Cadiz Sr. Sat, 24 Jul 2010 16:14:57 +0000 http://pound4pound.com/BillysBoxingBlog/?p=308#comment-2105 Dear Malibongwe: Thanks for the reply. First off, you are not listening to what's happening between Jeff and myself, you are reading it. I have written, not said. The same way Jeff has written and hasn't said a word. Now you, just as Ellerbe, have become the odd man out. You are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. The trainer I spoke to is well respected and trains and manages a world class boxer, feared among many, including little may. It wasn't Cus D'Amato, get the spelling correct the next time. Dear Malibongwe:
Thanks for the reply. First off, you are not listening to what’s happening between Jeff and myself, you are reading it. I have written, not said. The same way Jeff has written and hasn’t said a word. Now you, just as Ellerbe, have become the odd man out. You are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. The trainer I spoke to is well respected and trains and manages a world class boxer, feared among many, including little may. It wasn’t Cus D’Amato, get the spelling correct the next time.

]]> By: jeff taylor http://pound4pound.com/BillysBoxingBlog/2010/07/20/ellerbes-statement-to-arum-greenburg-liar-liar-pants-on-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-2034 jeff taylor Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:54:30 +0000 http://pound4pound.com/BillysBoxingBlog/?p=308#comment-2034 Malibongwe, I am my own person. I said I can see why some people hate on mayweather for who he chooses to fight I didn't say i agreed with it. I do believe he has a good resume better then pac. I also believe that a cotto or margarito fight for pac is a joke. I think that boxing is bigger then those 2 but I still want to see that fight bad. I believe that mayweather will have a easy time with pac (just my opinion). I also think that he will not be given the credit he deserves after the fight. Mayweather may open his mouth a lot but his talent is amazing and he makes the fight seem easy. Some people say he is boring but I disagree. I believe boxing is about hitting and not getting hit. My faviorite before floyd was pernall and he was hated on. I just like that style. I belive floyd is pernall with pop Malibongwe, I am my own person. I said I can see why some people hate on mayweather for who he chooses to fight I didn’t say i agreed with it. I do believe he has a good resume better then pac. I also believe that a cotto or margarito fight for pac is a joke. I think that boxing is bigger then those 2 but I still want to see that fight bad. I believe that mayweather will have a easy time with pac (just my opinion). I also think that he will not be given the credit he deserves after the fight. Mayweather may open his mouth a lot but his talent is amazing and he makes the fight seem easy. Some people say he is boring but I disagree. I believe boxing is about hitting and not getting hit. My faviorite before floyd was pernall and he was hated on. I just like that style. I belive floyd is pernall with pop

]]> By: Malibongwe http://pound4pound.com/BillysBoxingBlog/2010/07/20/ellerbes-statement-to-arum-greenburg-liar-liar-pants-on-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-2031 Malibongwe Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:32:47 +0000 http://pound4pound.com/BillysBoxingBlog/?p=308#comment-2031 Come on Luis M Cadiz sr Honestly i have been listening to you saying what you wanna say, Jeff thought you know your boxing, guess what, i dont think you dont know it, here is my question, How do i know if Jeff is not you? confused? i mean how do we know if Jeff is not your friend, he complimented you right? Did you write the complement to your self? What a moron, you must be saying that, that is exactly how i felt when you mentioned indirectly that Mayweather jr vs Mosley was a fixed fight, I mean if you know the science of the sport you can see when the boxer is in trouble or when he is holding back, Pacquiao ko Marquez 3 times in round one and the fight ended up being a draw, was the fight fixed ? I dont care if the trainer you spoke to was the legendary Cas A Dimato from his grave, Mosley was not holding back he got his ass wooped!! sorry for that. Arum is keeping everything inside his house like any other promoter would, now he says Paul Williams fight is a joke, now tell me didnt Pac fight Clottey? a guy with a loss from Cotto and a guy with a record of a couple of losses, ok then! My point is promoters will always keep it inside their houses, but they still need to be reasonable, i mean why Pac vs Cotto, also why plan a fight with a boxer with no licence in USA with Pac, Also why Pac who is suppose to be the King fighting with Margarito, the guy who could not handle the speed of Mosley who is 100 times less faster than Pac, If Pac fights everyone only for the fans as he says, why not Marquez again? why not Williams at 147, some of you dont even know he fought De La Hoya at 145 (catch-weight) even though the fight was officiated at 147. Pac is a great fighter and they are taking care of him as much as they do to Mayweather jr the only difference is Mayweather jr is talented and his handlers are also talented in what they are doing. so its the same sht!!! Boxing is bigger than those Two anyway! Come on Luis M Cadiz sr
Honestly i have been listening to you saying what you wanna say, Jeff thought you know your boxing, guess what, i dont think you dont know it, here is my question, How do i know if Jeff is not you? confused? i mean how do we know if Jeff is not your friend, he complimented you right? Did you write the complement to your self?

What a moron, you must be saying that, that is exactly how i felt when you mentioned indirectly that Mayweather jr vs Mosley was a fixed fight, I mean if you know the science of the sport you can see when the boxer is in trouble or when he is holding back, Pacquiao ko Marquez 3 times in round one and the fight ended up being a draw, was the fight fixed ? I dont care if the trainer you spoke to was the legendary Cas A Dimato from his grave, Mosley was not holding back he got his ass wooped!! sorry for that.

Arum is keeping everything inside his house like any other promoter would, now he says Paul Williams fight is a joke, now tell me didnt Pac fight Clottey? a guy with a loss from Cotto and a guy with a record of a couple of losses, ok then! My point is promoters will always keep it inside their houses, but they still need to be reasonable, i mean why Pac vs Cotto, also why plan a fight with a boxer with no licence in USA with Pac, Also why Pac who is suppose to be the King fighting with Margarito, the guy who could not handle the speed of Mosley who is 100 times less faster than Pac, If Pac fights everyone only for the fans as he says, why not Marquez again? why not Williams at 147, some of you dont even know he fought De La Hoya at 145 (catch-weight) even though the fight was officiated at 147. Pac is a great fighter and they are taking care of him as much as they do to Mayweather jr the only difference is Mayweather jr is talented and his handlers are also talented in what they are doing. so its the same sht!!! Boxing is bigger than those Two anyway!

]]> By: jeff taylor http://pound4pound.com/BillysBoxingBlog/2010/07/20/ellerbes-statement-to-arum-greenburg-liar-liar-pants-on-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-2024 jeff taylor Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:24:58 +0000 http://pound4pound.com/BillysBoxingBlog/?p=308#comment-2024 Your right a younger Mosley may have been able to finish him off we will never know that. What we do know is that floyd has struggled early in many fights and adjust and makes the other fighter fight his fight. I believe that is one of his best strenghts. Oscar started well Zab started well Mosely started well and had there chance but they ended up fighting floyds fight. I think thats a credit to floyd. Another thing I think is that floyd's conditioning is his biggest strength. He has the ablity to stay calm and it helps him. I agree with you the the world tour would have been horrible for floyd and I would not have been able to defend it. Even if Oscar or whoever convinced him to get in there with mosely he still had to do it and win the fight. My thing is I believe that there is some blame on floyd for his selction of oppenents but he still has a good resume. I also believe like you said there are mayweather fans that are radical who will not listen to anyone. But there are may haters who will never ever give him credit. Those are the same people who will go on and say he will never fight a williams or a berto or margartio if he beat pac. There will always be someone he scared of for the radical mayweather hater right? Your right a younger Mosley may have been able to finish him off we will never know that. What we do know is that floyd has struggled early in many fights and adjust and makes the other fighter fight his fight. I believe that is one of his best strenghts. Oscar started well Zab started well Mosely started well and had there chance but they ended up fighting floyds fight. I think thats a credit to floyd. Another thing I think is that floyd’s conditioning is his biggest strength. He has the ablity to stay calm and it helps him. I agree with you the the world tour would have been horrible for floyd and I would not have been able to defend it. Even if Oscar or whoever convinced him to get in there with mosely he still had to do it and win the fight. My thing is I believe that there is some blame on floyd for his selction of oppenents but he still has a good resume. I also believe like you said there are mayweather fans that are radical who will not listen to anyone. But there are may haters who will never ever give him credit. Those are the same people who will go on and say he will never fight a williams or a berto or margartio if he beat pac. There will always be someone he scared of for the radical mayweather hater right?

]]> By: Luis M. Cadiz Sr. http://pound4pound.com/BillysBoxingBlog/2010/07/20/ellerbes-statement-to-arum-greenburg-liar-liar-pants-on-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-2023 Luis M. Cadiz Sr. Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:27:22 +0000 http://pound4pound.com/BillysBoxingBlog/?p=308#comment-2023 Thanks for the compliment Jeff. I just try to be as analytical as possible with what I see before me and with the evidence I have. If I don't know something, I won't comment on it... And if I'm wrong, I will stand corrected. I like the fact that eventhough you declared yourself a mayweather "fan", you are not that radical. I have met, both on line and personally, mayweather fans that are just as... maybe even more... obnoxious than floyd himself. As far as the Mosley fight, I have spoken with other people about that fight, to get their opinions. A well known trainer expressed to me the following, "Luis, your telling me that Sugar Shane, world champion in 3 weight classes and has faced practically everyone who was anybody during that time, gets mayweather in trouble in the second round and then can't finish him off!?! The man went from throwing 40 punches or more and connecting in double digits for the first two rounds and then in the third round he threw 8 punches and connected 1!!! Larry Merchant interviews him at the end of the fight and Mosley said that after that second round, "he got tight" and couldn't follow up. A man like Mosley, always in great shape, trained for all that time and all he had in the tank were two rounds!?! Mosley, a great finisher, hurts mayweather and even buckles him, and then he's not able to follow up with what gave him results the round before!?!" Jeff, the conversation was extensive, those were just a couple of points that can explain a whole bunch. My opinion, mayweather was never too enthused with the idea of getting into the ring with Mosley. But if Pac had beat Cotto decisively and then was coming off a dominating performance against Clottey, Oscar needed to place mayweather into the ring with a credible opponent. Remember, little may had mentioned about going on some far fetched "world tour" and taking on the likes of Matthew Hatton. No way!!! What does Golden Boy do then, sacrifice Mosley to keep mayweather on a "level" playing field, as far as future negotiations are concerned. Remember Jeff, it's not the same thing saying you just came off a win with Shane Mosley than saying you flew half way around the globe to beat down Mathew Hatton. All this info, you absorb it as you will. I personally feel that something was arranged there, but since I wasn't present in the negotiations, it's all just speculation. Thanks for the time... God Bless Always Luis M. Cadiz Sr. Thanks for the compliment Jeff. I just try to be as analytical as possible with what I see before me and with the evidence I have. If I don’t know something, I won’t comment on it… And if I’m wrong, I will stand corrected. I like the fact that eventhough you declared yourself a mayweather “fan”, you are not that radical. I have met, both on line and personally, mayweather fans that are just as… maybe even more… obnoxious than floyd himself. As far as the Mosley fight, I have spoken with other people about that fight, to get their opinions. A well known trainer expressed to me the following, “Luis, your telling me that Sugar Shane, world champion in 3 weight classes and has faced practically everyone who was anybody during that time, gets mayweather in trouble in the second round and then can’t finish him off!?! The man went from throwing 40 punches or more and connecting in double digits for the first two rounds and then in the third round he threw 8 punches and connected 1!!! Larry Merchant interviews him at the end of the fight and Mosley said that after that second round, “he got tight” and couldn’t follow up. A man like Mosley, always in great shape, trained for all that time and all he had in the tank were two rounds!?! Mosley, a great finisher, hurts mayweather and even buckles him, and then he’s not able to follow up with what gave him results the round before!?!” Jeff, the conversation was extensive, those were just a couple of points that can explain a whole bunch. My opinion, mayweather was never too enthused with the idea of getting into the ring with Mosley. But if Pac had beat Cotto decisively and then was coming off a dominating performance against Clottey, Oscar needed to place mayweather into the ring with a credible opponent. Remember, little may had mentioned about going on some far fetched “world tour” and taking on the likes of Matthew Hatton. No way!!! What does Golden Boy do then, sacrifice Mosley to keep mayweather on a “level” playing field, as far as future negotiations are concerned. Remember Jeff, it’s not the same thing saying you just came off a win with Shane Mosley than saying you flew half way around the globe to beat down Mathew Hatton. All this info, you absorb it as you will. I personally feel that something was arranged there, but since I wasn’t present in the negotiations, it’s all just speculation. Thanks for the time…
God Bless Always
Luis M. Cadiz Sr.

]]> By: jeff taylor http://pound4pound.com/BillysBoxingBlog/2010/07/20/ellerbes-statement-to-arum-greenburg-liar-liar-pants-on-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-2019 jeff taylor Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:07:11 +0000 http://pound4pound.com/BillysBoxingBlog/?p=308#comment-2019 Luis, what is good here is that we may have different views but you defintely know your boxing so on things we will disagree I take a lot of points from what you say. Like you said this is a business. I do believe that is the reason Mayweather past on the 8 million to fight Margartio and fought Baldamor for 12 million. Pac fought one fighter who mayweather is accused of ducking Cotto and he did fight him after he was exposed a little bit. People said before the mosley fight that they would give floyd credit if he beat mosely. That didn't happen. I understand because of this big mouth he has haters out there. But in the last fight he fought mosely and pac fought Clottey. So its pac turn to step it up. Pac is a great champion and i believe that he would prove more by staying at 147 and fighting great fighters there then moving up to 154. I also believe that because of his mouth that if mayweather beats pac people will start to put down pac talents. Luis, what is good here is that we may have different views but you defintely know your boxing so on things we will disagree I take a lot of points from what you say. Like you said this is a business. I do believe that is the reason Mayweather past on the 8 million to fight Margartio and fought Baldamor for 12 million. Pac fought one fighter who mayweather is accused of ducking Cotto and he did fight him after he was exposed a little bit. People said before the mosley fight that they would give floyd credit if he beat mosely. That didn’t happen. I understand because of this big mouth he has haters out there. But in the last fight he fought mosely and pac fought Clottey. So its pac turn to step it up. Pac is a great champion and i believe that he would prove more by staying at 147 and fighting great fighters there then moving up to 154. I also believe that because of his mouth that if mayweather beats pac people will start to put down pac talents.

]]> By: Luis M. Cadiz Sr. http://pound4pound.com/BillysBoxingBlog/2010/07/20/ellerbes-statement-to-arum-greenburg-liar-liar-pants-on-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-2017 Luis M. Cadiz Sr. Thu, 22 Jul 2010 04:04:26 +0000 http://pound4pound.com/BillysBoxingBlog/?p=308#comment-2017 Jeff, we keep on running into each other! Remember my friend, boxing is a business. Of course Arum will place Pac in a ring with one of his fighters, it's easy business. Plus, Arum doesn't have to split the profits with another promoter and since both fighters are his, no matter who wins, he always goes home with the winner. Oscar played his only credible card with Mosley, now what for Golden Boy Promotions? Put little may with Amir Khan? Look around for new comer to the welters Tim Bradley? Guess what Jeff, if that takes place, little may will keep on taking jr. welters!!! While Manny will keep on facing true welters, or at least bigger opponents, in Cotto and Margarito. Though "hand picked" as you say, they represent more of a threat than jr. welters that come up to face a mayweather who has been fighting in that division for quite a while. To top it all off, PAC would be facing another two foes that little may had avoided even before his retirement and doesn't have any plans of getting in the ring with them any time soon. As I said before, at least Manny gets into the ring with these guys. Who will little may get into the ring with? Good night and God Bless Luis M. Cadiz Jeff, we keep on running into each other! Remember my friend, boxing is a business. Of course Arum will place Pac in a ring with one of his fighters, it’s easy business. Plus, Arum doesn’t have to split the profits with another promoter and since both fighters are his, no matter who wins, he always goes home with the winner. Oscar played his only credible card with Mosley, now what for Golden Boy Promotions? Put little may with Amir Khan? Look around for new comer to the welters Tim Bradley? Guess what Jeff, if that takes place, little may will keep on taking jr. welters!!! While Manny will keep on facing true welters, or at least bigger opponents, in Cotto and Margarito. Though “hand picked” as you say, they represent more of a threat than jr. welters that come up to face a mayweather who has been fighting in that division for quite a while. To top it all off, PAC would be facing another two foes that little may had avoided even before his retirement and doesn’t have any plans of getting in the ring with them any time soon. As I said before, at least Manny gets into the ring with these guys. Who will little may get into the ring with?

Good night and God Bless
Luis M. Cadiz

]]> By: jeff taylor http://pound4pound.com/BillysBoxingBlog/2010/07/20/ellerbes-statement-to-arum-greenburg-liar-liar-pants-on-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-2009 jeff taylor Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:38:48 +0000 http://pound4pound.com/BillysBoxingBlog/?p=308#comment-2009 Manny has some hand picked fights lately they won't put him in there with a real boxer at all. You can say the same for mayweather but that is what they said before he fought mosley. Everyone said he was scared to fight mosely he was ducking him and all that. But as soon as he dominated him it was of mosley is old and didn't have a chance. If your going to say that about mayweather you have to say that about pac. I m come on Cotto or margaratio are his only opitions . There are lots of better fights out there for him. He didn't want to fight foreman because he was to big but Mararito isn't? Oh yeah Margartio is a Arum fighter. Pac fights have been hand picked for year now Clottey come on. Manny has some hand picked fights lately they won’t put him in there with a real boxer at all. You can say the same for mayweather but that is what they said before he fought mosley. Everyone said he was scared to fight mosely he was ducking him and all that. But as soon as he dominated him it was of mosley is old and didn’t have a chance. If your going to say that about mayweather you have to say that about pac. I m come on Cotto or margaratio are his only opitions . There are lots of better fights out there for him. He didn’t want to fight foreman because he was to big but Mararito isn’t? Oh yeah Margartio is a Arum fighter. Pac fights have been hand picked for year now Clottey come on.

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