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One Reader Comes Clean On His Oscar Prediction, Could Anyone In The Media PLEASE Do The Same?

Tuesday, December 9th, 2008

Well here we are more than 2 days out from Pacquiao’s destruction of Oscar and I have yet to see one of the so called experts come clean and say he was wrong about his over used theory about Oscar being too big and he will destroy Manny in a joke of a fight.

I mean, c’mon guys, lay your bloated ego’s aside and admit you don’t know what the heck you are talking about. Most of us already know it, but it would be great for guys like Chubby to admit they are nothing more than spoon fed shills and move on. It would be a cleansing experience.

On that same note I don’t want to hear anyone say that they really wanted Manny to win even though they picked Oscar. 

Before the fight I even heard one reporter who shall remain nameless (J-Gon) spouting how Oscar was going to wear down Paq and beat him and then in the sixth round say, “If you read my article I “hinted” that this might happen!” Here’s a hint for you, quit yapping on the phone all night with your boys in NY letting ‘em know how cool you are by being at the fight, it’s very irritating.

A breath of fresh air was Ronnie who wrote to me how Oscar was going to win and then took my meltdown directed his way after his prediction was dead wrong.

Check out what our friend Ronnie had to say:.

Before I respond to your email, let me congratulate you on a very good call.

I appreciate you going on record with your thoughts. Something tells me you are not so glad you did now. But don’t worry Ronnie, you were note for note and word for word speaking the very ideas professed by all the high priced experts…did you come up with these thoughts on your own or were you mimicking those dolts?

Just curious.

LOL, No I was not mimicking the those high priced dolts as you so eloquently put it. I have been following boxing for a very long time and even use it as a work out method and training regiment. It is one of the best ways to stay in shape.

Well, as Bob Arum said at the post fight, it was a mismatch, so on that point you were right…I guess. And of course the fight should never have taken place; Manny was leaps and bounds superior to Oscar on every level.  And yes, it was evident on every level Saturday night…good call Ronnie.

I still feel that the fight should have never taken place because what if a different Oscar had shown up to fight Manny. Pacman could have been seriously injured but the financial benefits always out way the unforeseeable . It just so happened Oscar is not even a shadow of the fighter he once was and father time waits for no man. However, if you feel that Manny is truly a welterweight why not but him in with some serious welters such as Cotto, Margarito, or even Mosely. There is a reason he is not staying at the welter limit (mismatch).

As to Manny’s defense Ronnie…how many combo’s did Oscar throw that landed on nothing but air? Yeah, I lost count too.

Manny’s defense is purely offense. He will be exposed a purely offensive fighter as he moves up in weight and challenges other fighters that are well rounded. It’s easy to look good when your opponent obviously has no business being in a ring. Manny appeared to be more than a one dimensional fighter but like I said its easy to look good when your basically hitting a human punching bag. I don’t want to take anything away from Manny’s win because he is a very strong fighter and has lots of talent but he is in fact one dimensional. Just because he is one dimensional does not make him a bad fighter. On the contrary, he has proven himself to be a tough guy to handle in the square circle and taken on the best.

Marquez is an unfair comparison, he is pretty much in his prime, Oscar is not.

Despite Oscar not being in his prime I thought the mere size, reach, and power was going to be more than enough to stop Pacman. Any other top level welter would take Pacman’s head off but like Oscar said after the fight the mind and heart want to fight but the body can no longer sustain that level of competition. This was true for him on Saturday which is why Manny won.

Okay I will stop picking on you word for word and just get to the meat of your text…Ronnie, you couldn’t have been more incorrect with your pre fight breakdown. But I think you listened to a bunch of experts and just regurgitated their already pre-chewed mush, it’s probably not even your fault, and you were led astray by the talking heads.

I appreciate the fact that you stop beating me up because I am starting to feel like Oscar lol. As I stated before I truly felt that Oscar still had enough left in the tank to beat Manny despite his decline but unfortunately that was not the case and my pre-fight assessment was in fact wrong.

Manny is anything but one dimensional and if anyone can lay claim to being all Mayweather is and more…it’s Manny.

I disagree Manny is a one dimensional fighter its easy to look good when your opponent is that bad. Look at Manny’s past fights not much has changed. He comes straight forward in fact he follows his opponents around the ring rather than cutting off the ring. Where as Mayweather uses footwork, lateral movement, and punches from all angles. Mayweather is a far superior fighter and a well rounded fighter. Aside from this past fight when have you seen Manny use lateral movement, and angles to beat his opponents? Most of his fights he comes straight forward and trades punches thats it. I will say his style is very entertaining.

And as to fighting Margarito…c’mon, I know you are not an Oscar fan, but you don’t really want to give him the death sentence do you?

I do not wish to ever see Oscar in the ring ever again. He has accomplished many great things and will go down in history as a good fighter. In my opinion I don’t think he will be seen as a great fighter but definitely a talented fighter of his era. When compared to Chavez, Duran , Haglar, Hearns, Sanchez, Alexis Arguaio, he will come up short but its still a great list to be compared to.

Ronnie, I really appreciate the fact that you took a stand and expressed your views, most of the spineless jellyfish I was with this weekend wouldn’t dare do that. Props to you my friend!

Thanks for some credit despite questioning whether my opinion was in fact my own. It goes to show anything can happen in boxing and father time waits for no man.

Ronnie

Ronnie…all I can say is it’s great to know we have guys like you reading the site.  THANKS!!

With that said allow me to turn over the next letter to Bret. I am not sure if he will express the same love for this next reader.

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Absurd Email Calls Pacquiao “An Average Fighter”

Tuesday, December 9th, 2008

By Bret “The Threat” Newton
We wouldn’t normally subject our readers to a low level I.Q. email such as the one we’re about to show you, but we felt it was at least good enough for a laugh, even though we did decide to respond to it. Feel free to send your own responses to us regarding the following email we received after the Pacquiao vs. De La Hoya fight:
 
 From: BEBLACK99
 Ok, I’m going to give you the heads up on The Pacman also, Why is everyone calling this great fighter like they did Cotto, tell me Who other then Great fighers that were so close to retiring the rocking chair was in the ring with them. Manny is Average nothing more the same thing i told you about Cotto. Now here’s the thing he’ is being guilded pass all the really good fighters. and Don’t even mention Mayweather he would knock Pacman out cold, why? Pacman has no defense and the only speed he has is because his opponents had none. would Ricky Hatton be a good fight? I would take a guess that Hatton would Knock him out. Boxing is really in desperate need of a star any star even if that star is fighting dull fighters and not the competion. boxing has come to the point where they will by pass look over and make any excuse to draw a crown even if it’s a really washed up Oscar, wow. You would be considered a very wise man if you would step out of the box and go on some bold statements that unless Pacman can beat someone we would consider a true contender then he’s not great or good he’s just an average fighter.

Beblack99,

I don’t even know where to begin. You’re email is about one of the most ridiculous we’ve ever received, and we’ve had some doosies. So let me try and dissect this one the best way possible.

First, you ask “why is everyone calling Pacquiao great like they did Cotto”. So you’re saying Cotto is not that good? Despite having only one lone loss to Margarito, who De La Hoya ducked in order to entice Pacquiao to fight him? I guess wins over FIVE undefeated fighters means nothing? How many unbeaten fighters did Mayweather Jr. face? TWO! And for one of those Floyd picked the easiest of the bunch that were around to fight, who was Hatton. You’re telling me Hatton was ranked higher than Cotto at the time Mayweather chose to fight Ricky? Even above Margarito? Get out of here. Hatton was nearly TKO’d by way past his best Juan Lazcano before he used the “I need to tie my shoe” routine. Don’t even bring up Paul Williams, Mayweather would rather fight Hulk Hogan in a scripted match.

Next, you ask “who other than great fighters that were close to retiring did both Pacquiao and Cotto fight”. Well, lets start with Cotto. Was Kelson Pinto close to retiring when they fought? Pinto beat Cotto in the amateurs and was undefeated when they fought, only to get knocked out. Mohamed Abdulaev was 15-1, hardly close to “rocking chair” retirement. Ricardo Torres, who was 28-0, and went on to win the WBO title, then onto 2 exciting fights with Holt, with a 3rd on the way hopefully next year. Malignaggi was 21-0. Cotto busted him up good, and more-so than Hatton recently did despite the stoppage. Cotto broke Malignaggi’s jaw, and he’s not in the “retirement” status, sorry. What about Judah? Many picked Judah to beat Cotto, and what happened there? Same thing with Mosley. Mosley is still fighting and getting big wins, he’s not getting handily beaten like Oscar was against Pacquiao last Saturday. Then there was Margarito. Cotto took all he could from that monster until he could take no more. At 32-1, with 26 KO’s, you’re already writing Cotto off after one loss? A loss to the number one guy in the division who Floyd ducked and retired so he couldn’t face him? Man, you really aren’t a boxing expert are you?

Now lets go over Pacquiao’s resume. Let’s start with BARRERA for christ sake! Marco was at the peak of his career when along came Pacquiao and absolutely DESTROYED what many never thought would be possible. Barrera isn’t in a rocking chair, and went on to win 6 more times before losing to Marquez and a rematch with Pacquiao. You’re saying Barrera is a bum? Wow, I’d hate to see the hate mail you’d get for that one. Moving on, you have Juan Manuel Marquez. Yes it was a Draw, yes many had Marquez winning, but the fact is, it was a GREAT fight, very competitive and candidate for fight of the year. Pacquiao dropped him three times in the opening round. How is that credit not due? Marquez is recently coming off a huge win over Casamayor and ready for more, he’s hardly in retirement status, sorry that you were mistaken. Next was Erik Morales. Morales beat Pacquiao the first time. Morales was one of the best fighters of this generation and you say he was a rocking chair retiring fighter when they fought all three times? WRONG! Pacquiao came right back and beat Morales twice in 2 more great fights, and lets not forget, Morales then went on the fight David Diaz only to get robbed of becoming the first Mexican to win 4 title in different weight classes, so that’s FAR from an old man sitting in a rocking chair. Finally you have De La Hoya. Yes, maybe he should have retired, but are you forgetting that it was OSCAR who wanted the fight, not Manny? Goldenboy had to make a second offer to Pacquiao after the first was refused. Oscar “hand picked” Manny, and it backfired in his face.

You just sound upset because nearly 90% of all writers and so called experts picked Oscar simply based on the size difference. If you knew so badly that Pacquiao was going to win, why aren’t you a millionaire today having bet on Pacquiao to win, huh? Yeah, that’s what I thought.

Don’t even mention Mayweather? Why would we, he RETIRED! Duh! He left without fighting Cotto, Margarito and Pacquiao. He’s the one you should be criticizing for fighting sub par opponents. He even left before truly finishing against the best. He too fought Oscar you know, and in fact, did not do as well as Pacquiao did. Pacquiao won all 8 rounds and stopped him. Floyd was losing after the 7th before Oscar tired and allowed him to win the next 5 in a row to take it.

Boxing is in desperate need of a star? Pacquiao has BEEN a star from the get go. Name one fight of his that was boring. Just one. Manny is probably the most exciting fighter other than Arturo Gatti, and he doesn’t take a beating in every fight to come back and win, he just gives them. All Pacquiao’s fights end up being candidates for fight of the year. I’d rather watch him than a guy who just runs and outboxes another fighter for 12 boring rounds. That’s what makes you a “star” my friend. Bringing in the fans. Actually fighting and trading is what sells tickets, not a prancing around the ring contest. Pacquiao not only brings in the massive Filipino fans, but all the Mexican’s as well who are the largest community that support boxing.

How can you not like Manny? That baffles me. He’s one of the nicest and funniest guys out there who puts on great fights that everyone wants to watch over and over. There is never a Pacquiao fight that someone goes “well, Im never watching that fight again”, yet that has been said for MANY Mayweather fights, let me tell you. Im a big fan of Morales and Marquez and Pacquiao beat both. Do I hate him for doing so? Of course not. All those fights were great, the helped boxing and Pacquiao gave and still gives respect to them and all Mexican’s after fighting them. Maybe if you actually met him you’d change your tune. It’s like you’d be happy if Pacquiao lost. Why? That’s a bit childish and immature my friend, but there’s always some moron that wants to see the top guy fall. Just so happens that you’re that person this time.

Anyway, let me end on this. You said Mayweather would beat him, well lets see it. Manny’s fought everyone, whether you say so or not. Floyd decided not to fight again because he never wanted to get in the ring with someone who could really bring it to him. He got out before that could happen because he’d lose. Just watch his fight against Augustus and the first with Castillo (which was a robbery by the way). Why else go into WWF fake stuff and then retire? We may never see that fight and who’s fault will that be? Floyd’s. Why beat up Manny over this? He’s the one calling him out. He wanted him instead of Oscar. But does Floyd really want Pacquiao? Of course not. That’s why Floyd said he wanted to rematch Oscar. Now how in the hell is that not mentioned in your silly ass email? Beat a guy rather easy that’s ready to retire, then call him out for a rematch? That’s a laugh. Yet you’re upset Pacquiao fought him, but it’s ok that Floyd said he’d come out of retirement to fight Oscar if he’d win? Sorry bud, but YOU FAIL!

PS, Pacquiao would knock Floyd’s head so far off that you’d come up with another stupid email of excuses, probably that the length of time Floyd had of was what caused the outcome, so just do us all a favor and pick another sport to harass because you obviously know very little about boxing. No one will take your email seriously anyway, but it’s worth a laugh.

Thanks,
Bret “The Threat” Newton

Keep Dreamin’

Monday, December 8th, 2008

Well it was a great trip to Las Vegas and other than forgetting my laptop everything went wonderfully. Unfortunately by leaving my lappy I was unable to answer all the mail I got in regard to my “Steep Mountain” article and my prediction of Pacquioa defeating Oscar. I also was not able to respond to those who wrote to me immediately after the bout. My Blog/Mail Pouch will answer those emails sent my way in chronological order from the day after the “Steep” article up to the letters I am now receiving in regard to the now historical fight.

Here we go:

Subject: A Steep Mountain To Come Down From

I just wanted to go on record and disagree with your analysis of the Oscar vs Pacman fight. First of all, I don’t even think this fight should be taking place because of the huge mismatch and that will be evident on Saturday. Second of all, lets remember that Pacman is not a defensive fighter nor has he ever been tested at that weight limit. He barely got past Marquez. Plus, there is a huge difference in size, reach, and power. I understand anything can happen in boxing but the odds are not in favor of Pacman. Oscar may get tired down the stretch but its easier to get tired when you have a bigger guy applying pressure but in this case he is the bigger guy. Pacman is no Mayweather he does not possess the defensive ability to beat Oscar where as Mayweather most definitely does. Pacman is just a give and take type of fighter (one dimensional). My prediction is Oscar wins by KO around the 6th or 7th round if not sooner. For the record I am not a Oscar fan I think he should be fighting real fighters like Margarito not blown up lightweights.

Sincerely,

Ronnie

 Dear Ronnie,

I appreciate you going on record with your thoughts. Something tells me you are not so glad you did now. But don’t worry Ronnie, you were note for note and word for word speaking the very ideas professed by all the high priced experts…did you come up with these thoughts on your own or were you mimicking those dolts?

Just curious.

Well, as Bob Arum said at the post fight, it was a mismatch, so on that point you were right…I guess. And of course the fight should never have taken place; Manny was leaps and bounds superior to Oscar on every level.  And yes, it was evident on every level Saturday night…good call Ronnie.
As to Manny’s defense Ronnie…how many combo’s did Oscar throw that landed on nothing but air? Yeah, I lost count too.

Marquez is an unfair comparison, he is pretty much in his prime, Oscar is not.

Okay I will stop picking on you word for word and just get to the meat of your text…Ronnie, you couldn’t have been more incorrect with your pre fight breakdown. But I think you listened to a bunch of experts and just regurgitated their already pre-chewed mush, it’s probably not even your fault, and you were led astray by the talking heads.

Manny is anything but one dimensional and if anyone can lay claim to being all Mayweather is and more…it’s Manny.

And as to fighting Margarito…c’mon, I know you are not an Oscar fan, but you don’t really want to give him the death sentence do you?

Ronnie, I really appreciate the fact that you took a stand and expressed your views, most of the spineless jellyfish I was with this weekend wouldn’t dare do that. Props to you my friend!

 Sea Level vs. High Altitude

Hey Bill you didn’t have to go to Dr Hopkins….Mac has been saying that for years.  Mac got into it with Emanuel Steward when Julio was going to fight RJJR over that same topic.

I have to stay with Oscar though.  Maybe it’s the Mexican in me, but I have to stick with Oscar.  And if loses, I’ll say “FTP” about Manny.

 Robert T

Hey Robert,

Yeah, Mack is foaming at the mouth about right now with all this training in Big Bear nonsense. Again, I give you props for sticking with Oscar, but now you see Mack may have very well had his point proven on Saturday night.

FTP time

“Mountain”

LOVE your ‘Mountain’ article, and I hope you’re right!!! If I had money to bet, it would be on Manny, and I have felt that way for a long time. We will know soon!   Barb 

Yo Barb!!

LOVE?  Thanks. Trust me, I was hoping I was right too…otherwise our buddies would have drug my carcass through the mud. If you have felt this way for a long time then you have seen Oscar’s deteriorating skills too.
Jump to the head of the line.

And now to the post fight response:

Billy, What the heck was that???? Oscar never even fought back. After the first round he looked defeated as well as befuddled. 164 punches vs. 333 with a 64% landed by Manny.  

 What happened? Oscar, look like he just didn’t have any heart, no will to fight, heck no desire to fight. Was he confused? He didn’t look like it, he just looked defeated after the first round.

Ray Flores

Ray,

Oscar had one chance and one chance only, he had to land the big left hook. After the first 3 minutes he pretty much knew there was no way that was going to happen, but he didn’t give up…yet. Then in the ensuing rounds as Manny really began to make Oscar’s life miserable and that is when I believe as you do…Oscar all but gave up. Confused, defeated…all of the above.

Silence Is Golden

So the post fight emails were sparse at best, to the say the least, but that’s not really a shock…is it? I mean everyone picked Oscar to win…right?

My guess is everyone was keeping their thoughts to themselves.

Fair enough.

Silence is in fact…Golden!